Matrix Discussion

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(10-11-2010, 06:19 PM)Metalogic Wrote: Ok, next topic up for discussion, in The Matrix, Neo meets with The Oracle for the first time. He walks in and breaks her vase, this is the scene.

The Oracle: I'd ask you to sit down, but you're not going to anyway. And don't worry about the vase.
Neo: What vase?
[Neo knocks a vase to the floor]
The Oracle: That vase.
Neo: I'm sorry.
The Oracle: I said don't worry about it. I'll get one of my kids to fix it.
Neo: How did you know?

Then comes the iconic line,

The Oracle: What's really going to bake your noodle later on is, would you still have broken it if I hadn't said anything.

As we have seen throughout the three movies, and MxO, The Oracle isn't so much of a fortune teller as she is a guide. She has seen the cycle play out before, she knows what's suppose to happen and what her role in it is supposed to be. Armed with this knowledge, she manipulates the circumstances in the sixth cycle to achieved a different outcome.

So the next topic up for dissection is, how different would've Neo path have been if The Oracle didn't guide him, or more importantly, didn't guide him the way that she did?

I'll input my thoughts later tonight, but first I'd like to do another MxO rant.

MxO Rant, by Metalogic

This is honestly one of the things that have been lacking in MxO. Throughout the movies, we've been presented with philosophical and religious questions and thoughts. Such as "There is no spoon", or the religious parallels between The Matrix Universe and Christianity, Buddhism and even Paganism.

However in The Matrix Online, we rarely saw any of that. Hel one faction got in trouble because of a religious name. Under Chadwick and Chamberlain, the storyline became less thought provoking and more ummm....I guess you would say comic book like. It did have twist and turns, but there lies another problem, it had TOO MANY twists and turns. There's like a thousands of unanswered questions in the Matrix lore thanks to the MxO writing staff, or a lack thereof. Hel they gave us answers to questions that no one was asking such as "It's always 1999".

I sincerely hope that at least one of the EMU servers start proposing philosophical and religious questions and thoughts in the storyline again. Because that's what makes The Matrix Universe unique from your typical action/sci-fi/cypberpunk/Kung-fu movie.

I'll be back later with my thoughts on the question.

What would have happend if the oracle had not say anything or guide him?

Version 1 of the matrix.

Neo found out for himself he was the one in version 1 of the matrix and that he had the anomoly ability. And he would have freed the first humans like Morphy and a couple others to build zion. It was just because of a couple versions later and the fact that he would love Trinity that made it possible for him to find the true answer on how to solve to ungoing problem: End the War with the machines so there would be peace.

In later versions of The Matrix, The Oracle rebelled against the machines after she had find out the discovery that made it worth to rebel against her own kind ( i explained that in another topic in this forum i believe). Zion contacted the Oracle in later versions to of the matrix and that was the first signs of the ending of the war.

The only reason why The Oracle could predict things is because of 2 things:

1. She had the abilty to study humans in such a way machines could understand the humans. Thats why they could have perfected The Matrix so humans could accept there prison.
2. She has been in every version of the Matrix offcourse and thats why she could remember everything because its all put into her own data archive inside her.

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(12-11-2010, 06:43 PM)QuiDormit Wrote: Whoops! I forgot you posted this!


What really bakes my noodle is this:

Would Trinity have fallen in love with Neo if the Oracle didn't tell her that she'd fall in love with the One?

Hehe, its a biggy indeed. But um.. You cant stop love. It will hit you in your face if it was ment to be. Oracle just witness the first time it happend for Trinity in earlier versions. (He probably did the "Superman thing" aka Clark and Louise style, rescued her and thats why she felt in love with him in the first place lmao) And now the oracle just blond out told Trinity that she would fall in love with Neo in later versions because it was saved in her data archive lol thats why she remembered it.